Showing posts with label 4080. Show all posts
Showing posts with label 4080. Show all posts

Sunday, 1 June 2025

Mini PET 40/80 Internal on Tindie

Last year, I uncovered a forgotten set of prototype Mini PET 40/80 PCBs and built one up. I posted about that at the time and a few months later, someone contacted me about buying a Mini PET, so I sold that.

A few months after that, someone else asked for one, so I built another.

Recently I had another couple of requests, so I thought I should list those on Tindie.

These were the prototype of the 40/80 design (well, actually the second prototype), that went on to be developed into the 40/80D and the Mini PET kits that were sold via TFW8b.

This board has an error on it, two of the pins on the DIP switch were transposed.

Now that I have built a few of these, I have got better at fixing that. I now drill out both of the pads and wire them in, so the full range of options are available.

Due to the timing of the other versions, I never ordered fixed boards, or sold these as a kit. I can't really expect kit builders to do the mod, so I will have this only available as assembled for now.

I did not have a manual written either, but as I have been selling the assembled versions, I have been putting together the missing manual, so now I can properly list it, with all the DIP switches working as intended.

I will see how things go. I only have 4 PCBs left, if there is still interest in those I might order a new set of boards with the error fixed (and I am sure I will also fiddle with some other things, I can't help myself)

This is the version intended for installation in a PET case (although the picture shows an older version)

The white version with the keyboard was intended for standalone use.

I did design a 40/80 version of that (which was the first 40/80 prototype), note there are 5 logic chips on the right hand side, I managed to get that down to 4 on the next version (as seen in the green V1.82 boards I am selling), and the power switch didn't stick (does anyone like that?)

I would need to respin that with the 4 logic chip version and probably no power switch (and again I am sure more changes) - if anyone is interested, let me know.

Since one of the requests was for a replacement board for a PET 2001 case, I have listed the option for the datasette interface board to allow the connection of the internal datasette drive in those cases.

That will be datasette #1, normally the port on the rear, with datasette #2 on the side.

The port is still available, although should not be used for a datasette. It is ideal for providing power to an SD2PET or similar.

You also have the option of mounting the whole board further inside the case, including an SD2PET, so it does not stick out that back of the case.

Ready to restore almost every type of PET from a 2001 to an 8032.

40 and 80 column is supported, as well as normal or business keyboards. (no VIC20/C64 keyboards, no 8xxx-SK, no 64K RAM boards, no SuperPET, no CBM-II, but I think everything else should be OK)

32K of RAM is present, along with a selection of ROMs, BASIC 1, 2, 4 and Mini PET BASIC 4.1 which includes a DOS wedge, improved machine code monitor, self-test and file browser.

This is using all modern chips, other than the last of my stocks of dual port RAM chips, and I have found an alternate microcontroller than can be used without modifying the PCB.

Whilst putting together the listing, I remembered this great video from Sam at Look Mum, No Computer. I had forgotten how good the video was.

The section with Sam installing a Mini PET into a PET case starts just before 3 minutes, but it is definitely worth watching the whole thing:

As Sam says in the captions, you do not need to replace the capacitor in the PET case. I don't think I have found a bad one in a PET case yet. The current consumption of the Mini PET is only around 100mA, compared to the 3A the capacitors were rated for. There is also an extra 100µF capacitor on the Mini PET board.

I did actually order some really nice Nichicon replacements many years ago, so I was ready if I ever need one.

I wonder where they are now....

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I am sorry that is a bit pricey, but I have to do each of these as a one off and it's the last of the boards and the RAM chips.

Also available is the recently revived Minstrel 4th (with the updated ROM including Jupiter Ace Forth and ZX81 BASIC), available as a kit or built and tested, from my Tindie store or Z80kits.com

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Sunday, 24 March 2024

Building lots of Mini PET 40/80s

It all started a couple of weeks ago.

A couple of long weeks ago.

TFW8b found the last of the Mini PET 40/80 PCBs and decided to put those up for sale again.

There were enough for 8 units, with a couple of extra mainboard PCBs without keyboard overlays. (yes, I know there are 9 in the photo, the last one is my Mini PET 40/80, there to make a square number)

It is a lot of work to pack and check (and recheck) these kits, and so it was decided it would be best to sell these as assembled units (which is more work.......).

So I set off to assemble the parts we had and the ones we needed to order to complete these builds. All looked to be available to buy, or from TFW8b stock or my stock, so they were listed for sale again. Initially to my and TFW8bs Patreon supporters, and then to the general public who snapped them up (all apart from the last one that sat there for a few days on it's own).

Whilst waiting for the PCBs to be sent up to me, I got on with the daunting task of assembling the keycaps. If you have ever built a Mini PET or a Minstrel 4D, you will know what is involved in putting these together.

You can imagine how much fun I had with this lot.

As you can tell, I was having so much fun, I made a few extras.

Even though it was only going to be me assembling these, it still made sense to sort out the ICs onto foam pads, although I wasn't as bothered about how neat they were.

That isn't the normal arrangement. This is "things that are going to be soldered to the PCBs", I populated the socketed chips direct from the tubes later on.

I went for soldering the logic chips without sockets, as I think that looks better. I'm a big fan of lining up 14 and 16 pin chips. You have to look quite hard to spot where the 14 pins stop and the 16 pins start.

Right, that's all the soldering done. Time for some ICs.

The microcontroller used on here has been discontinued in the 40 pin DIP package, but I was able to get hold of some form a supplier that still had stock, and miraculously, the EPROMs are back in production.

Lots of chips to program and label.

That's all the chips and the key switches done.

Time for the keycaps.

I use the technique of pickup up a random keycap, fitting it in place, then going back for another, then another etc. until it is done.

By the end of this, I was putting them in without reference to the layout sheet.

All done, time for some testing.

I went through the usual series of tests, self test, memory test, keyboard test, IEEE-488 port (with an SD2PET), userport (using the dual joystick module), and both datasette ports. I also measured the two 5V rails and the two 6V datasette motor supplies.

But this is the Mini PET 40/80, so as well as the usual 40 column favourites,

I also got to test out things like Cheese and Chive

And Colossal Caves in 80 column mode.

And the full built in self test.

So that's one done. Signed and numbered limited edition.

(N.B. in the Patreon preview of this post, I had written "singed" and numbered. So I have to be true to my word. Where did I put my blowtorch?)

Repeat 7 more times to make 8. (the 9th is my own Mini PET 40/80, there to make up the numbers)

That was a lot of work.

But it wasn't all plain sailing. Two of them didn't work first time.

The first started off looking OK, but then rapidly dimmed to a black screen.

After a bit of head scratching, I spotted the deliberate mistake.

I had all the resistors the right way around, but it seems I got one of the diodes reversed.

A quick swap around and that was sorted.

The second board had me puzzled for a bit longer.

Everything seemed to be working, but the picture was a bit rubbish.

It wasn't very stable, and there was coloured fringing all over the place.

I checked around the signals and there was something clearly wrong with the video signal.

There were peaks at the start of the line, and the video seemed to be at two different levels?

I double checked the second 5V rail, as the composite video output is on a different rail to the rest of the logic, but that was fine.

The input signal (below in green) was correct, but somehow when the composite video signal was being generated, it was getting messed up.

The sync input also looked correct, so that narrows it down to only a few components.

When measuring on the transistor base, I was seeing lots of negative pulses, was the transistor playing up?

I decided to cut the transistor out and recheck the signal at the base, to prove it was at fault.

It wasn't.

The negative pulses were still there on the mixed signal?

The diode was the next to go, and with that removed, the signal returned to normal.

I temporarily clipped a 1N4148 in place and it did not show the same negative pulses, so I replaced the transistor, and all three diodes, to be safe.

That sorted the problem, perfect picture again, and all the other tests passed.

So what was going on? well, looking at the diode, I can see a "23" on the marking, which is not part of "1N4148". Looking closer, that is 235B.

Looking that up, it is a 1N5235B, a 6.8V Zener diode used on the 40 column Mini PETs. (N.B. No relation to Kryten 2X4B-523P.)

No idea how that happened, all I can think is that I must have picked up some 6.8V zener diodes by mistake when I was assembling that particular board.

Now I have to pack up all these Mini PET 40/80 and get them down to TFW8b to fit the perspex and the manuals and get them out to the lucky buyers.

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